John Vervaeke & Jonathan Pageau - AI Discussion
- Andy McIlvain
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Video from Transfigured
John Vervaeke & Jonathan Pageau - AI Discussion
"Jonathan Pageau ( @JonathanPageau ) and Dr. John Vervaeke ( @johnvervaeke ) talk about the current state of Artificial Intelligence.
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We mention Tiago Faleiro, Larry Ellison, artificial intelligence, large language models, AI plateau, model collapse, technical debt, cognitive debt, relevance realization, Moloch problem, human wisdom, classical education, automated bureaucracy, vice quantification, Flynn effect, IQ decline, AI alignment, silicon sage, Golem narrative, technology ethics, media psychology, digital degradation, data cleaning, automated agents, cognitive science, philosophy of technology, Transfigured podcast, Sam, John Vervaeke, Jonathan Pageau, Thiago Felierro, Larry Ellison, Pope Francis, Joseph Tainter and more.
00:00:00 - Introduction & Setting the Table
00:01:46 - John’s Opening: The Plateau & Disconnection of LLMs
00:07:25 - Jonathan’s Opening: The Threat to Gen Z & Career Paths
00:09:43 - The Moloch Trap & Geopolitical Hyper-Competition
00:13:55 - What is AI Decadence? (Model Collapse Explained)
00:16:45 - The Superhuman Coding Illusion & Real-World Feedback Loops
00:25:36 - Ontological Fumbling: Is AI a Tool or an Agent?
00:33:47 - Civilizational Collapse & Automated Bureaucracy
00:43:06 - The Rise of Sex Robots: Why Vice is Quantifiable and Virtue is Not
00:51:56 - The Pope’s Encyclical: Tower of Babel vs. Walls of Jerusalem
01:04:33 - Can a Spirit Get Inside Silicon? AI as an Oracle
01:14:05 - Reversing the Flynn Effect: Restoring Wisdom Through Classical Education" from the video introduction
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